Would you call Sybil a stalker?

I recently heard through mutual friends about a young woman who had met a man recently and pursued him to the point where she had become a nuisance; and as time went on possibly a stalker. I was asked if I thought she might be dangerous. As far as I could reconstruct the situation, this is what happened:

Sybil (I will call her) met this young man (Richard) at a party. He seemed friendly and interested. In fact, they made arrangements to go together to an outdoor concert. Although the date went well, she thought, Richard did not call her again. After a couple of days, she called him. He seemed friendly but did not suggest that they go out together a second time. She found an excuse to call him the following week; but he seemed strangely distant. He said that he would contact her when he was less preoccupied by work; but he did not.

The two of them went in different directions for the holidays. When Sybil returned, she made a point of contacting one of Richard’s friends. She wanted to know why Richard had not called her. When he told her, he did not know, she asked him to ask Richard! At a later time she contrived to go to a bar which she knew Richard frequented. When on one occasion she did find him there, she went over to talk to him despite the fact that he was with another woman. Evidently Richard became uneasy because he left immediately afterwards. A few months later she texted him about another concert, but did not pursue him further when he did not respond.

I don’t think Sybil’s behavior is sufficiently extreme to make her a stalker. Different psychological pathways lead to somebody behaving like a stalker. It can be motivated by a number of ideas, including the desire for revenge. However, in the context of dating, it usually grows out of the stalker imagining that the other person has an affection, or still maintains an old affection, for him, or her. Such behavior is not uncommon and rarely becomes dangerous. Sybil did not think Richard had an unexpressed and hidden passion for her. She understood that he was indifferent to her; but she thought that she could change the way he felt by continuing to put herself forward.  What Sybil was demonstrating was a fixed determination to enter into a relationship with someone who plainly had no interest in her. She was clinging and demanding.  Her behavior was the sort of thing that would make most women wince even reading about it.

Such unrelenting and unrequited interest paints the aggressive individual—either a man or woman—in an unattractive light. It is not flattering to the individual being pursued, because it gives no consideration to what that other person is feeling. It gives the appearance of being desperate.

Having said that, I have to admit that on rare occasions such determination pays off. I remember a woman who trapped a married man she was attracted to in a locked office and tackled him, literally. On more than one occasion she got between him and the door of whatever office she found him in and began kissing him. It was hard for me to imagine anyone being seduced by such aggressive behavior; but in time the man somehow became involved with her. He divorced his wife a number of years later and married her. But I think the response of most men to this sort of approach is contempt.

I have run into a few men over the years, and even fewer women, whom I had to dissuade from pursuing someone who was plainly not interested. When they go too far, they make smaller any chance that that other person might someday be interested in them. And, in general, I try to prevent patients from humiliating themselves.

But it is relatively rare for men and women to violate these ordinary rules of propriety. What is much more common is for men and women to hesitate to encourage a person whom they find attractive. They  think that romantic relationships are supposed to happen naturally, spontaneously. They think men and women just sort of run into each other and get to know each other, and then in time develop an intimate relationship. These women go out of their way not to present themselves as Sybil did. They wish to seem self-contained, neutral, as it were. But, the fact is, it is not possible for someone to appear friendly and disinterested at the same time. It is not possible to be neutral. Someone who is not explicitly encouraging comes across as discouraging. There are some men—and many more women—who are so afflicted by this urge to seem self-contained and cool that they go for long periods of time alone, wanting to be in a relationship but not wanting anyone to know that that is what they want. Rather than reach out to someone, they settle for being alone.

This problem is more apparent in women than men. Most men understand that they are supposed to reach out to a woman in order for her to respond; and yet they hesitate. They may be reacting to different fears, but certainly one fear is of the possibility of being rejected. But some women think they are not supposed to let on that they like someone. The man is supposed to take the lead. They do not want to be confused with Sybil.

But, it turns out that some men, like women, are unsure of themselves; and they need to be encouraged. No matter how good-looking or desirable they may be, some men need encouragement. Often, when I can finally persuade a woman to approach a man she is attracted to, the man says later on that he had never before realized she had been interested in him. They are together, but could have been together a long time ago. So, how far should a man, or woman, go to encourage a relationship?


The rules governing how couples meet and approach each other change over time. In Jane Austen’s day, a woman had no alternative but to wait primly at home until some man came to call. The man had to arrange for an introduction. Any other behavior would have been unseemly. That time is past. It is perfectly appropriate now for a woman—and certainly a man—to approach a casual acquaintance, or a neighbor, or a fellow-worker and suggest going out together for coffee or a drink.

“Oh, I couldn’t do that!” I hear from some women, and sometimes from a man. Such a person often feels isolated and forlorn and thinks there must be something wrong with him or her that makes it impossible to find a partner; but it is this hesitancy to indicate an interest in someone that is at fault. I have seen beautiful and very appealing women—and men—who never date because they cannot bring themselves to be assertive at the very beginning of a relationship.

Suggestions for the man

You do not have to wait until “you get to know her better” before you ask someone out. It is not essential that you know her at all. Strike up a conversation. It is true that a woman may very well be unwilling to speak to a stranger; but she may talk to you, nevertheless—if you look presentable and smile. The worst that will happen is that she will walk away.

I knew a young man who met someone while waiting to enter a busy restaurant. They spoke for a few minutes. Then, the woman was seated. The young man did not have the courage or initiative to ask for her telephone number. He haunted that restaurant for weeks, but never ran into her again.

In order to live successfully, every opportunity should be exploited. Of course, most times that a man  becomes interested in a woman he has met her under more conventional circumstances, such as a party or at work. Usually, then, there are a number of chances to arrange to see each other. But you should not wait for the right moment. Do things now.

If you text or call someone who seems vaguely approachable and she, nevertheless, says that she is busy, you should consider contacting her again some days or weeks later—even if she did not suggest another time when you first spoke to her. If she refuses you a second time without making a suggestion to meet at a different time, you should assume she is not interested in you. To pursue the relationship past this point is to go too far.

You should not conclude that there is something wrong with you.  Most times, men and women will not find themselves attracted to each other. There will be other times. Luckily there are very many men and very many women.

Suggestions for a woman

The social rules now are such that a woman should not hesitate—and a self-confidant woman will  not hesitate to speak to any man she meets and knows even a little. Even that small initiative will show interest and encourage the man to consider a relationship. Although most women will hesitate to actually suggest a date to a casual acquaintance, it is perfectly appropriate to suggest doing some particular thing together.

“I like the Yankees too. Maybe you would like to go to a game someday.”

“I have been looking forward to that concert. Would you like to go into the city and see if we can get hold of a couple of tickets?”

It is at this very early stage that most women balk. They want the man to show interest in them; but they cannot show interest first—even if showing interest is precisely what will encourage the man to take the next step. You are supposed to indicate that you find that person attractive. Expressing such an interest does not make you seem needy or unappealing. Merely showing an interest is not seeming desperate!

If a man does not call in the few days following a first date, it is appropriate to call him. If he cannot be reached, or does not call back, calling again would be going too far. If the relationship has gone on for some time, there is more leeway to calling again, but the point of calling is to indicate further interest, not to corral the man against his wishes. A general rule is to go out of your way to show an interest early in the relationship and to refrain from calling later on. Your job is to encourage the man, not to persuade him that you are more desirable than he thinks you to be. Certainly, do not argue about getting together again when he no longer wishes to do so. That would certainly be going too far.

It is possible to go too far; but I think it is better in general to err on the side of reaching out to someone too persistently,  rather than giving up too soon. (c) Fredric Neuman

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Fred Neuman, M.D. is the Director of the Anxiety and Phobia Treatment Center. After serving as Associate Director for 21 years, Dr. Neuman assumed the directorship in 1994. Educated at Princeton University and the NYU College of Medicine, Dr. Neuman specializes in the treatment of anxiety disorders. He is the author of the following books: Caring: Home Treatment for the Emotionally Disturbed, Fighting Fear: An Eight Week Guide to Treating Your Own Phobias, Worried Sick?: The Exaggerated Fear of Physical Illness, and Worried Sick? The Workbook. Dr. Neuman is also the author of numerous magazine and newspaper articles on the efficacy of Cognitive/Behavioral Therapy for the treatment of anxiety disorders. Dr. Neuman is a member of the American Psychiatric Society, The American Association for the Advancement of Science and the New York Academy of Science. Dr. Neuman is also the author of the following novels: "The Seclusion Room," Viking Press. "Maneuvers" Dial Press "Come One, Come All," "The Wicked Son," "Detroit Tom and His Gang" "Superpowers." All these books are available from Amazon.